Zadoc Speaks: Round Three - June 20th, 2004

Those of you who have frequented this site in the past few years or so will recall some of the turmoil I've dealt with (and still deal with) from former bandmates that for some reason thrive on attempting to create some sort of chaos in my life, and unto to the current members (and in some case, some of our former members who've remained within our circle of friends) of the Nightmare.

For those of you who have no interest in these petty childish antics, I advise you to click your 'back button' on your web browser and find something more entertaining.  To those of you who are easily amused by these dramatic scenarios and my responses to them, you're in for a treat, I suppose.

I'm not going to spend any time giving you a recap of what has previously transpired on our forums between me and my former guitarist, but if you're wondering what all this is about, read the first installments of the series:

Zadoc Speaks: Round One
Zadoc Speaks: Round Two

This morning, after a few months reprieve from his nonsensical behavior, our 'friend' has shown once again his 'proper motive of the will'.  Naturally, he's caught me in a cheerful mood again and I have decided to reply as followed:

Please note that our former friend's posts can be found in the Zadoc...and the Nightmare forum intact and unedited, I have not altered or manipulated his posts in anyway. The posts are reprinted down below colored in yellow text, with my replies intermixed colored in red text.

Respect is given,not taken.

Respect is something you know very little about.  That is the major reason why I decided not to associate with you - you lack any sort of respect for anyone and everyone around you.

I have alot of good memories of Ray,Nathan(Zadoc),and even Kim.

So do we.  I won't speak for RaYzor or Kim (Ambrosia/Seek), but I once considered you a good friend and a close comrade.  Your inability to show any inkling of respect towards myself and the rest of your fellow bandmates is what caused me to decide that I could no longer work with you in this project (or any other for that matter).

I accept responsability for alot of what happened at the end of my alligance with Z.

That is a first.  Looks quite a bit different from this, which you posted back in December of 2002:

And again in February of 2003:

But, I digress...at least some sense of reality has struck down on you.

It wasn't always badmouthing or bashing when I showed up here in the forum all those times.

Oh, of course not.  In fact you were actually quite congenial after those comments posted in December through February, even going so far as to wish us good luck on our upcoming gigs and such - until we met face to face in August of 2003.  Being naive in assuming that things were okay between us again, civilly, I attempted to walk up to you and say "Hi".  Instead you brushed me off, harassed Ambrosia, Az, and his girlfriend (of whom you didn't even know), and then proceeded to show us your most heroic feat of spitting on Ambrosia. 

I really feel compelled to defend my self in this forum,

You are more often than not on the 'offensive' side in your posts.  You've accused me of being everything from an egotist to a plagiarist.  Again, aside from my initial shock post after our encounter at the Planet505, I have hardly given you anything that you've needed to 'defend your self' from.

out of respect I continue to stand and admire from a distance.You guys are doing great here,I wish I could just leave it at that.

Then why don't you just leave it at that?  Why the need to keep posting here after one and a half years of your absence from the band?  You still after all this time cannot fathom how I finally had to draw the line and decide not to put up with your shenanigans anymore.  You act as if someone out there really cares to hear your ever-changing constant excuses for your behavior and might possibly be gullible enough to believe your attacks on my character (and now apparently, you've decided to lump Az in with me). 

I was sore about my departure for a while,and now I seem to feel like that wound has healed finaly.

Then why are you still posting here?  Why the need to constantly try to accuse me of being a plagiarist and a thief of 'your intellectual property'?  Doesn't sound like anything has truly healed to me, just that you've finally come to accept that you did this to yourself.  You still have your bitterness and your need to try to attempt to 'character assassinate' Az, myself, and anyone else who stands up to your absurd accusations and insults. 

With Sunshine being long forgotten and my tour of duty in Z's line up being disolved I have moved on to another project that is having a great time getting started.

Good.  We're all happy for you.  No sarcasm intended.  Despite your social dysfunctions, you're still one of my favorite local guitarists - always have been, always will be.

I'm quite sure,Az,that you are well informed on the circumstance that occured leading up to my dismissal.I just don't think you can say you know me that well enough personally to make any statement on my condition or how I respond to it.

Considering that Az has been part of the Nightmare for over a year, and your attacks aren't solely aimed simply just at myself, but at the Nightmare itslef, he has every right to respond to your idiotic ramblings.  Az and I have known eachother for over 7 years and I also think he serves as a good judge of my character against your assaults against me and who I really am as a person, a friend, and a bandmate.  He's also known you for quite some years as well seeing that his older sister happens to be a friend of your family - so again he's probably got a reasonable enough perspective on your personality too.  Also, let's not forget that you yourself dragged him into this 'squabble' at the Born Again Savages show at the Planet505 when you proceeded to harass him and his then-girlfriend.

I demand no respect from you or anyone else.

Good, as you probably won't be getting too much respect from anyone around here.  While I still respect you as a fellow musician as well as a part of this band's long convoluted history, the respect I once had for you as a human being and a friend is long gone.

I don't expect to be fauned over and that's alot of the problem I have with what happened.

Umm...sure.  I'm also quite sure that your sexual advances towards our former keyboardist helped that problem alot, didn't it?

How can you say that I'm not doing anything at this point and still living in the past?

How about the fact that you haven't been a part of this band since December of 2002, yet you continue to post harassing messages on our forum about an event that occurred a year and a half ago?  You need to move on, sir. 

Do you really think you are that wise to say you know everything?If you really think this way I urge you to listen for what I have been doing in my "time alone".

No one has claimed to know everything, but from lack of gigs, lack of a CD, and even lack of a website for your new band that's a pretty low profile to be keeping for the tremendous amount of work you've claimed.  Show us where we can 'listen to what you've been doing in your time alone' before you 'urge anyone to listen'.  

Of course your first reaction may be to discredit it,but I can expect that considering the circumstance.

Trust me, I like alot of bands that contain a member or two (or maybe more) that I take issue with.  I'm still a fan of Sunshine, Krypt VI, the Prophecy, and Joey Larkin despite my feelings for those certain individuals that I cannot get along with.  If it truly is good stuff, I'll like it despite my opinion of you personally. 

I have been hearing quite a bit about your band's new progress and I stopped by to take a look at what has happened.I kind of hoped that everyone had finnaly stopped talking about me in my absence,and sure enought to no supprize,you haven't.

Really?  Let's take a look:

The last post indirectly referring to you is a response to a response of a post you made on March 17th, 2004.  This was posted by Az, responding to another person's reply to your post, and was posted on April 7th, 2004.  The span between your post and his was three weeks, and seeing that it was in actuality a response to a post made by someone else on April 2nd, 2004, in actuality it's a 5 day span between posts and replies.

So, therefore since April 7th, 2004 (over two months time, mind you) no one has referred to you in the forums at all.  The only person who even started a thread concerning you was former Nightmare drummer RaYzor and even that was on March 18th, in response to your lovely diatribes from March 17th two days earlier.

Let's not be stupid here and let's realize that when you post a bunch of idiotic posts that more than likely someone is going to respond to them.  You managed to keep everyone's attention for about 3 weeks before they gave up on talking about something as hopeless as your rambling posts and moved on to more interesting things.

Being that today as of this writing (and also the date of your post in which you're complaining about being 'talked about in your absence') it is now June 20th, there hasn't been anyone talking about your for almost two and a half months.

Do you not see how this works?  If you stop posting a bunch of garbage on our forums, nobody cares to talk about you anymore.  If you truly wanted to stop people from discussing you period, you'd have stopped posting here by now, like you've 'threatened' many times before in the past.  It's truly amusing how you accuse me of being a 'glory hog', yet you're the one who keeps posting here so that you won't be forgotten. 

With all of this being said,if I am harasing you all in any way it is unintentional.

That's the biggest pile of B.S. yet!  How many times do I need to say that I don't wish to speak to you?  How many times have I been forced to call the police to stop your insistent phone calls (which thankfully has been almost a year since I've received one)?  I've even had to contact your e-mail provider to get you to stop sending me harassing e-mails.  Each time before I went to the proper authorities, I gave you an upfront and civil request not to contact me anymore, and you still insisted on harassing me.

I let you post here because it is not really invading my private life.  The forums on the Zadoc...and the Nightmare website are for public use, and as long as you keep within the guidelines for proper use of the forum, you will be allowed to use them how you see fit.  You realise this, and you know that this is the only way of 'reminding everyone' that you're still here, still bitter, and still determined to undermine what the Nightmare has  accomplished (and still is accomplishing) with your bizarre behavior.

Dictionary.com  defines the verb harass as this:

ha·rass    ( P )  Pronunciation Key  (h-rs, hrs) tr.v. ha·rassed, ha·rass·ing, ha·rass·es To irritate or torment persistently. To wear out; exhaust. To impede and exhaust (an enemy) by repeated attacks or raids. ha·rasser n. ha·rassment n. Synonyms: harass, harry, hound, badger, pester, plague These verbs mean to trouble persistently or incessantly. Harass and harry imply systematic persecution by besieging with repeated annoyances, threats, or demands: The landlord harassed tenants who were behind in their rent.

In my mind, the above definition describes your behavior without question.

I feel compelled to comment on the circumstance that detailed my departure,but the point is any amount of detail I commit to is looked wrongly upon as a falsehood.

Even if anyone were to give you the benefit of the doubt and objectively read all of your posts from December of 2003 to the present with an open mind, no-one could possibly believe even just your own side of the story.  There are many inconstancies between even just your own posts - even if one post were to be true, there's another that can not be looked at but anything as a lie.

If you're going to tell a lie(s) then at least stick to it.  Changing your story completely undermines your credibility. 

Az,stay young as long as you can,you have your whole life to "grow up".

Sound advice from someone who should be heeding that bit of advice for himself.

I guess I'm just illustrating the point that the future and the past come together at some point.

Yes.  Therefore it should be quite obvious to you why you are faced with such 'hostility' in these forums.  Your actions from the past have hurt and severed many friendships including our own.  Therefore, why you should expect any friendly gestures from me is baffling.  If I ever decide to mend the bridge that you burned, it will be by my own will and decision.  I tried to mend that bridge once at the Planet505 and you repaid me with hostilities in spades.

To you,Nathan,I remind you that you,too, are by no means "omnipotent",and have no way of disserning what the past before my entry into your project consisted of.

No, I am not 'omnipotent' nor have I claimed to be.  I have only commented on what you have displayed before me, the damage you have done to the trust that myself and others gave to you, and even the damage you've inflicted onto my band, my bandmates, my friends, my family, and my relationships with them.

I have never commented on anything prior to our working relationship (unless you count that I've admitted to being a fan of Sunshine) and I have no reason to do so.  Although I knew you as an acquaintance back then, it wasn't until we began working together that any of our problems developed.

So with that being said I hope you can try to understand that you don't have complete controll over every facet of life in general.It's a mature realization,and one I know you have alot of help coming to resolve.That same idea is one I have had to contend with in dealing with choice individuals along the way.

I have complete control over my own life and have a responsibility to my family to keep them safe.  I can't stop your ridiculous opinions and inaccurate portrayals of my working ethics, however, but I have every right to respond to them - especially when it's contained on my own privately owned website.  If you cannot deal with my replies and my answers to your ridiculous posts and wild accusations you should never have posted them.

Fear is a great tool,and when applied properly,it can do great things.In the wrong hands it can be disasterous.

Yes.  I'm sure Josef Stalin, Adolf Hitler, Saddam Hussein, and Genghis Khan would certainly agree with that statement.

I'm more partial with a quote by Franklin Delano Roosevelt - "The only thing we have to fear is fear itself"

I think two years is along time to think about the consequence of being a person like myself.

I think that's a waste of two years, myself.

I admit my negative traits easier than alot of people I assosiate with

Boy...I'd hate to meet those people.  Seeing as it's taken almost a year for you to admit any fault in your part of this situation I can't imagine anyone being more bitter - aside from perhaps Attila the Hun.

 and I think after all this time I should ask that you take into consideration that all that has conspired is in the past. Continuing to reiterate how inconsiderate I am is admiting that you,yourself,are "living in the past".

Which brings to mind another famous quote, "those who do not learn from the past are doomed to repeat it".  The reason that I will not 'bury the hatchet', so to speak, and attempt to reconcile any sort of relationship from you is that I have been there before.  Those who know me will attest to the fact that I am very forgiving - even to people that I've had multiple falling outs with.  However, no one else that I've reconciled with has ever taken advantage of my good nature and proceeded to use it as an opportunity to engage in harassing not just myself, but my fellow bandmates, a friend who was an innocent bystander - guilty only by association, and of all the obnoxious things to do, spit on one of my friends.

You insist on teetering between mimicking Rodney King's famous "why can't we all just get along" routine and then proceed to throw insults, untruths, and spitefulness around when you see that I want nothing to do with your pseudo-hospitality.

I bring up the past in my responses to you to remind of what you've done to me that has caused me to reject any 'peace offerings' you are trying to bring to the table.  Had you not acted as such at the Planet505, and then later continue to flaunt your usual despicable temperament in a public forum (on our band's website nonetheless) there might have been a glimmer of hope somewhere that we could eventually sit down and talk like civil human beings again.

You need to come to terms with these facts:

• I was well within my rights to dissolve this band in December of 2002.  I did so because you and former keyboardist Ambrosia created a situation which rendered the two of you working together as an impossibility.  I did not want to fire either of you, nor did I want either of you to quit.  I had previously tried to mediate the situation and failed.  For the sake of the band, our friendships, and my sanity at having to deal with this situation I sacrificed this band - which I have been in, founded, and nutured for over ten years because I valued not only Ambrosia's friendship, but yours as well.
• Despite the fact that the Nightmare no longer existed, I still wished to remain working as a musician.  I offered to each member of the Nightmare an offer to work with them on a project of their choice.  Not just to Ambrosia, not just to RaYzor, not just to Animal, but to yourself as well.  Afterwards you accused me of playing favoritism what reason I am still completely baffled to by this very day and proceeded to berate me through e-mail correspondence for several weeks.
• Upon reflecting on your actions and contrasting them with the upset, but supportive and understanding natures of RaYzor, Animal, and Ambrosia - I made a bold decision - to reform the band without you.  At that time, the door was not shut permanently for you to return and I would have been willing to negotiate with you.  However, you then decided to retaliate in full force with your harassing e-mails, phone calls, and forum posts.  Your actions confirmed that the difficult decision I made to reform the band without you was a wise one - you are not a reasonable person for me to want to work with.
• Although I had resigned to severe my musical ties with you, I had hoped that once you had time to calm down that we could still maintain a civil relationship and possibly rebuild our friendship.  Initially it looked like this was slowly happening when you posted a few 'nice' posts on the forum wishing us good luck for our upcoming gigs and refrained from your usual bitterness.  Upon seeing you enter the Planet505 at the Born Again Savages show, I thought we were on good enough terms to walk up and say 'hello' to you and see how you were doing.  While you blew me off and pretended as though I wasn't there, this didn't initially bother me much as it did sort of confuse me.  It was the behavior you displayed afterwards that showed me that it was time to sever all hopes of ever being on civil speaking terms again.
• Your constant misguided accusations and attempts to slander my character have only solidified that I made the right decision to never attempt any sort of reconciliation with you ever again.  

You don't seem to comprehend that your actions in the past are what have burned the bridges of civil communications between us.  You fooled me once by 'trying to play the nice guy' once, I'm not going to let my guard down again.  I've grown a lot wiser since this ordeal and you continue to shovel out the same diatribe when I refuse to buy into your pseudo-civility.

That is where our relationship ends - in the past - and therefore that is all I can comment on when speaking to you.  We have had no relationship business, civil, or otherwise since August of 2003.  That was your doing, not mine.

Let me say again,it has been 2 years or so sence we have had any ineraction aside from an expulsion of anxiety that we experienced due to loosing my friendship with you.I regret that it was in public,but I learned that the best way to solve any problem is to be completely open,instead of feeling as though I am intuding on society with my menial and mundane issues.

There is no way to solve this problem.  As you once suggested "I don't want to associate with you" and that feeling is more than mutual.  If there is any hope to this 'problem' it is to let time heal these wounds.  Posting onto these forums time and again and rubbing salt into the wound isn't helping anything.  While I feel it's doubtful that I'd ever be open to speak with you on a level of civility ever again, time does the strangest things to heal old wounds. 

If I have anything to say to anyone,I go to them,noy John,Betsy,Jane and Sue.

We have had nothing to say to eachother for years.  However, I'm not about to sit here and let you insult me, the band, our fans, and our friends without a rebuttal - just as I'm sure another heap of your diatribe is headed for us the next time you visit this website and read the responses to your 'insightful' posts.

The point you seem to be missing is that I DON'T WANT TO SPEAK TO YOU - ANY WAY, ANY SHAPE, ANY FORM.  Anything you post here is going to be met with skepticism, criticsm, and 'fact checking' and you know that.  You post here to remind people about your bitterness and hoping that you'll "get someone's goat", so to speak, and you'll have yet another topic to argue about.

You'll be posting here for however long this forum stays open or if I ever decide to just tire of this argument and just start deleting your posts and banning you from the use of the forums.

Just like me, you're stubborn and you always want to get the last word in. 

You said that I was trying to "act like a toughguy" and you couldn't be way more off the mark.

There was no need for your behavior at the Planet505.  Despite your anger and resentments you cannot justify your infantile behavior that night.

If you get hurt badly enough,no matter who you are,you are going respond with anger,anxioty,and at times rage.

Untrue.  Everyone has been hurt badly by a fallout in friendships - not everyone feels the need to express their "anger, anxiety, and rage" with juvenile behavior such as yours.  I guess, perhaps we should all feel grateful that things didn't escalate any further than they did.

Never in my life have I ever feigned 'goodwill'  only to entrap someone into showing my bitterness by display of verbal and physical harassment.  I've done alot of terrible things in my lifetime, but I've never sank that low.

I can remember you telling me once,Nathan,that "Pain is inevitable,and suffering is optional".Is that applicable in every case or are you really that nieve to say you are a special case?

And you think I did not feel pain over losing you as a friend?  Or perhaps pain over the abuse you've shoveled my way since then?  It hurt alot to see and hear you treat me the way that you have.  However, I've chosen not to suffer as you have over hurt feelings.  I have never resorted to constant barrages of harassing e-mails, phonecalls, nor have I even attempted to contact you since the Planet505 incident.

How about the pain I went through sacrificing my own lifelong work that I put in this band due to the incident that you and Ambrosia caused?

I may have called you a 'retard' on one occasion (which I am not surprised to see that you haven't forgotten) but that is the only time I've lost my cool with you.

Welcome to my world,Welcome to Reality...

Reality?  Which version may I ask?  You have several...

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Thanks man,I appreciate your advice and your posture. -Other than calling me a 'retard'
Don't be too offended,alright,Dracula Sucks too!

Perhaps I wouldn't be so offended if that was the only thing you've said and done.  It all adds up, my former friend.

-Realize that you burned the bridge of civil communication between us long
ago and that I am not willing to trust and/or believe you anytime in the
near future.
It was no easy job,I had alot of help doing it.

I had nothing to do with your behavior at the Planet505.  The only word I said to you that night was "hello".  The only 'help you had doing it' was from within your own delusional mind.

-Spend less time annoying me and the rest of the Nightmare and focus that
energy into your own musical outlet
I am focusing on my current project and I'm sure it won't annoy anyone too badly.(have you heard that Alice Cooper cover band called "the Nightmare"?good stuff)

No, I haven't heard of an Alice Cooper tribute band named as such.  Although I do remember hearing of a certain green guitar player who attempted to form a band with Jason Hasseler of "Metal-Scene" and was insisting that it be called "The Nightmare"(!?).  How original.  I have a feeling it might have been a juvenile attempt at a dig at my own band - just an observation.

-I just really don't care about how you perceive
the events of the past anymore.
I'm talking about now,"be here now",Nate.

As far as we are concerned, there is no 'now,"be here now"' between us anymore.  I have learned not to associate with you.

You don't care how anyone perceives anything other than yourself and the people you are trying to impress constantly.get real.

You're partly correct, I simply don't care about how you perceive anything.  Those whose input I value such as my family, my band, and my friends, I do happen to cherish their opinions.  You don't fall into any of those categories anymore.  Your perceptions and opinions to me are worthless - and it doesn't stay the same for long anyways.

-I stand firm on my reasoning just as you've taken the liberty to
change your arguments on any given day
I'm talking about one thing here.You jump around form "Monster did this,and then Monster did this..."
and if you have anything else to say about me that's derogitory about me in the future I hope it's to my face.

You really don't get it do you?  The point is I don't wish to say ANYTHING to you period.  If you did have the balls to spout the kind of nonsense and insults you're spewing here to me face to face (on the off-chance we ever happen to be somewhere face to face) I can guarantee you'd get the same responses from me that you're getting here.  I'm not going out of my way to say anything 'derogitory' about you - anyone can see that you post here and I simply respond how I see fit.  You act as an aggressor and expect me to not to respond.  If you're hoping that I fear you in any way, you're sadly mistaken.

I have absolutely no desire to see you face to face, and I hope (again, on the off-chance we should ever be face to face) that you could be wise enough and mature enough to just avoid me and/or my friends like we didn't even exist.

-If you're making these 'congenial' posts over fear that I will somehow retaliate
towards any of your future bands and/or projects in any way, shape, or form
because of your past behavior you can rest assured that I have the
professionalism to keep our differences at bay and out of the way of business.
get a clue.I helped you with the project in the past.I had some creative input.

No one, myself included has ever denied that.  Infact if you've ever bother to read any of my responses to your silly accusations, I've actually gone on to acknowledge and praise your work with the band.  I will continue to do so regardless of whether you choose to 'block it out' when I've repeatedly acknowledged your work in these past posts or if you simply continue to deny it.

By the way, what the hell does that have to do with what you're replying to?

Remember when you were called "Zadoc:Vampire Theater"?I thought it was corney back then,dude!

Who cares what you think?  I didn't then and I still don't.  I can safely assume that none of the other members of "Zadoc: Vampire Theatre" give a toss about your opinion either.

I didn't agree to change the band's name simply because you "thought it was corney" - I agreed to the name change simply because to me, "Zadoc: Vampire Theatre" was Dark Cloud, Kirk Brinley, The Jester, Jeff Densmore, Steve Moore, and myself.  That band and those members were long gone by the time you arrived.

I suggested we completely change the name to "the Nightmare".You said you liked the sound of "Zadoc and the Nightmare" I said it reminded me of the name "Souxsie and the Banshies".

Again, you are distorting reality.  Not that it matters really, but it was infact me who said "Zadoc...and the Nightmare" AND that it reminded me of "Siouxie and the Banshees".  Also it was a collaborative brainstorm effort that you are referring to and not a simple act of you naming the band as you're implying.  We tossed back quite a few band names.  As for the 'Zadoc' part of the equation even you yourself agreed that it held continuity between the old band and the new band - seeing as we were still using the old band's library of songs - it was only fitting that the name 'Zadoc' was still attached rather than trying to pass it off as an entirely new project - which it wasn't.  It would be as ridiculous as KISS deciding to call themselves 'Psycho Circus' instead of KISS simply because of the absence of Ace Frehley and Peter Criss - same tunes, same makeup, if it's not broke why fix it?

then you put those 3 retarded dots after your name.

Oh for chrissakes, would you shut up about the '3 retarded dots' already?  It's not even your band to make those kind of decisions anymore.  If we want to spell our bandname in heiroglyphics or perhaps in cuneiform that's within our right to do so.  For the record, you are the only one who constantly whines and pouts over those damn dots.  Get over it and name your new band without trailing dots for chrissakes, write a song called 'three dots are retarded' for all I care - no one gives a flying crap about your hatred of those poor little dots.

Judging by your complete disregard for punctuation (and spelling and grammar for that matter) you must really have an obsessive hatred with punctuation. 

(nice logo ya got ther Nate!)

Yes, it is.  You like it?  Designed by Dan Gober; partially illustrated and modified by you; corrected, modified, partially illustrated, and completed by me.  Boy and you talk about ME not giving people the proper credit!  Sheesh!

as for bussiness with me.phaa!!you have no bussiness with me as of now.

(a tiny violin softly plays a woeful tune in the background)

-I'm not sure you do, but as long as you leave me out of it I simply don't
care.
It's not all about "YOU" all of the time Nate.I like it that way.

Of course not.  It's also about the rest of the Nightmare.  It's not about you at all anymore, and we like it that way too.

-The Extacy and the air held tight in your putrid little room of white.

First off, 'Extacy' is spelled ECSTASY - Secondly, nice quote.  I wonder who wrote that one?  Or are you going to insinuate that you wrote that too in addition to 'single-handedly' designing, creating, and illustrating our logo.

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(in response to a post from Az - "When you have a hemmy THIIISSSSS big, and regular Preperation H just won't do, you need a PREPERATION H BOMB!!!!!")

That's a realy nice thing to say about me.

It's far nicer than the things you've said about him - and more so the things you've said about me.

You aren't being derogitory towards me in any other way.Oh,except for calling me a "retard",right?(insert random threat here)

I simply replied "That would have to be one seriously LARGE tube of Preparation H" to a question asking if "we should smother" you "with Preparation H?"

Perhaps other people's responses may have been 'derogitory', but I fail to see how pointing out a simple example of the laws of physics could be construed as 'derogitory'.  So perhaps in addition to your compulsive obsessive hatred for punctuation you mean to say that physics offend you too?  You really are touchy aren't you?

LOL

It's always sad to see those who laugh alone

Hey,If I'm the hemroid we all know who the A--hole is,right?

Are you volunteering for the whole part?  With all these posts you're making, you sure are making one out of yourself.

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I really think Zadoc is a unique consept.Part history part fantasy.

A bit like your own delusional mind.  I can see know why you were once a fan.

I'm not trying anything to "get back into Nate's life"

Then why post dozens of inane messages here if you're not interested in a reaction?  This is by far the dumbest statement you've made here so far.

and if he didn't need to hear from me,why are he and his buddies still talking ---- about me?(no pun intended)

Because you won't go away.  You post a bunch of insults here towards me and the rest of the band (on the band's website not to mention) and you expect that everyone should be cheerful towards your posts?  You sling mud and it will be slung back right at you here.

are all of your freinds really that obsessed with you?interesting...

Not sure about my current friends, but as far as obsession goes my former friends seem to take the cake on that issue.  Interesting how many times you've claimed that 'this is my last post here - EVER' and yet you still come back posting more ridiculous tripe within a few months - talk about obsession.

Yet again your ridiculous posts do make us laugh and provides a few weeks of people commenting on what an ass you are being, but then people just don't care until you rear your forked tongue in here for another round of hysterical laughter.

At least be honest and admit to some kind of enjoyment out of this, otherwise you would have quit posting here long ago.

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Tell me...how can you rant about how our "freedoms" are being taken away by the F.C.C,or anyone for that fact

If I didn't believe in freedom of speech all of these ridiculous posts by you would be deleted.  The only ones that I removed were the ones you decided to sneak obscenities into.  You have the right to voice your opinion here regardless of how delusion, misinformed, and ridiculous it may be as long as you keep your language clean and keep your 'attacks' on me or the band.

,after the way you coldly handled a very sensative isuue concerning the future course of your musical project?

I've already explained 'the way I handled' that issue. Regardless of whether you feel it's cold hearted or not, I didn't appreciate being insulted for 'being a terrible leader' of the band, accused of 'playing favorites' when I clearly was not - that was something you invented in your own head, and all the miscellaneous lack of respect you showed me throughout our tenure together (i.e. sneaking pot into my home after MANY requests not to bring it in either my vehicles or my home, downing half a bottle of whiskey that didn't belong to you, causing a hissy-fit at a recording session with our producer over trivial issues, threatening to punch our drummer, etc. etc.).  All of those issues came into factor why you weren't asked to join us when I decided to reform the band.  You were never fired nor did I never say anything bad about you at that time - you exploded into a fit of insanity and it's been all downhill from there.

You need to realize this is all your doing - I retracted my trust, my friendship, and the willingness to work with you all because of your actions towards me and our fellow bandmates.  I attempted to smooth things out MANY times beforehand over the years yet you continued to disrespect everyone involved with this project.

It almost cost me my sanity.

Too late for that.  Sadly, I think that's been gone for a long time.  If I shared your e-mails, your phone messages, and these forum posts to any certified psychiatrist I'm almost certain they'd agree with me on that one.

You have the audacity to keep poking fun at me after the fact?

If you're going to continue to falsely accuse me of being a liar, a plagiarist, and 'the instigator' of this whole mess through your own lies, contradictions, insults, distortions of the truth, and harassments how do you expect me to reply to your asinine posts?  You don't expect me to actually be serious when responding to the these posts that have almost no semblance of truth to them do you?

How far are you willing to digress?

Well, I'm certainly not going to walk around muttering 'you suck' under my breath as I walk by you, nor will I take to spitting on you or any of your friends, nor will I continually walk by you and your friends (assuming you have any left) muttering insults either.  I'm more worried about how much farther you're going to digress.    

Your music might be written well,but you really have no understanding of what being "Metal" really is about,apperently.

When have I ever claimed that Zadoc...and the Nightmare is a "Metal band"?  Labels are worthless.  Sure, metal is certainly one of our influences but to think of worlds in black and white is boring, uninspiring, and confining, I also happen to like goth, industrial, blues, jazz, hip-hop, dance, trance, and good ol' rock n' roll too - I draw from them all - good music is good music regardless of some silly label.

Besides if it's really 'Metal' to spit on your former bandmates and harass them for years on end, I think I'll pass on that label, thank you.

Your only contradiction is that you keep saying you "rock..."

Hmm...the only person I remember saying that was Ronnie James Dio, who also happened to have invented the ever popular 'metal horns'.  How about Ozzy Osbourne doing songs like "You Can't Kill Rock N' Roll" and "Rock N' Roll Rebel"?  According to your logic wouldn't that not make him metal either?  

"Thoughtless" and "Rediculous" are two words that come to mind when I think about how you and others here assume I want to come back to your "fold".

'Thoughtless' and 'Ridiculous' are two words that come to mind everytime you wind up posting on this site.

If you want my attention again,you have it.

No, I think it safe to respond for everyone that we don't care for your attention one bit.  I would have thought that me constantly repeating "I DON'T WISH TO SPEAK TO YOU" would have sank in by now, but I have alot of patience for those who happen to be much slower than I am, so I'll keep repeating it if you'd like/

Especially after a post like "Science 101".wtf is wrong with you?

A clue here genius, I didn't write that post, so don't ask what's wrong with me - unless it's about that damn laws of physics hangup you have from my reply- in that case you have my heartfelt apology.  I should have never have wrote that. 

Instead it should have read "That would have to be TWO seriously LARGE tubes of Preparation H"

I hope you accept my apology and that it doesn't further agitate your aggression towards physics in any way.